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		<title>By: rfquerin</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-67191</link>
		<dc:creator>rfquerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 22:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@mingebuster&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems you missed the fact that the first part of the post was my appraisal of the rebranding and only the last two paragraphs of the post per se were about my thoughts on gtk.  I don&#039;t really follow your comment. The ubuntu design team and the path of gtk development are two completely separate issues in my mind - and they were treated that way in my post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure how you come up with the whole &quot;forsaken for rebranding&quot; point. It doesn&#039;t make any sense and wasn&#039;t my aim.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as proper critical discussion goes, it&#039;s subjective of course. It sounds as though you&#039;re from the camp that thinks critical appraisal of something can&#039;t take place unless someone&#039;s got a better idea to present (maybe I&#039;m wrong?) Frankly I think that&#039;s a stupid idea that stifles all sorts of critical discussion in Libre software land.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I still stand by my opinions on the progress of design in Gnome-land.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry that you don&#039;t think you&#039;ll subscribe, but I don&#039;t have subscribers in mind when I write a post. That&#039;s probably why my subscriber list is so low. ;) Oh well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for reading anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>It seems you missed the fact that the first part of the post was my appraisal of the rebranding and only the last two paragraphs of the post per se were about my thoughts on gtk.  I don&#8217;t really follow your comment. The ubuntu design team and the path of gtk development are two completely separate issues in my mind - and they were treated that way in my&nbsp;post.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how you come up with the whole &#8220;forsaken for rebranding&#8221; point. It doesn&#8217;t make any sense and wasn&#8217;t my&nbsp;aim.</p>
<p>As far as proper critical discussion goes, it&#8217;s subjective of course. It sounds as though you&#8217;re from the camp that thinks critical appraisal of something can&#8217;t take place unless someone&#8217;s got a better idea to present (maybe I&#8217;m wrong?) Frankly I think that&#8217;s a stupid idea that stifles all sorts of critical discussion in Libre software&nbsp;land.</p>
<p>I still stand by my opinions on the progress of design in&nbsp;Gnome-land.</p>
<p>Sorry that you don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll subscribe, but I don&#8217;t have subscribers in mind when I write a post. That&#8217;s probably why my subscriber list is so low. <img src='http://blog.rfquerin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Oh&nbsp;well.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading&nbsp;anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: mingebuster</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-67190</link>
		<dc:creator>mingebuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow how sad to see that someone was so worried about rounded rectangles and the shapes of buttons when what they say they are aiming at is clarifying how they could move on with development of the underlying GUI. A point sorely missed when I read the article. If you are going to make a critical appraisal of how the Ubuntu team is doing as compared to, lets say windows 7, then buttons should be the least of your concern. Indeed you used it as a trolling point because you could have said in one sentence what you had to say. Something along the lines of &quot;I think development of the GUI is being forsaken for rebranding&quot;. Furthermore from that a proper critical discussion would have been followed with: I think the GUI should head in this direction.....
instead you simply made personal attacks and went on about big assed this and bloated that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I dont think I will subscribe to your blog now&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow how sad to see that someone was so worried about rounded rectangles and the shapes of buttons when what they say they are aiming at is clarifying how they could move on with development of the underlying <span class="caps">GUI</span>. A point sorely missed when I read the article. If you are going to make a critical appraisal of how the Ubuntu team is doing as compared to, lets say windows 7, then buttons should be the least of your concern. Indeed you used it as a trolling point because you could have said in one sentence what you had to say. Something along the lines of &#8220;I think development of the <span class="caps">GUI</span> is being forsaken for rebranding&#8221;. Furthermore from that a proper critical discussion would have been followed with: I think the <span class="caps">GUI</span> should head in this direction&#8230;..<br />
instead you simply made personal attacks and went on about big assed this and bloated&nbsp;that.</p>
<p>I dont think I will subscribe to your blog&nbsp;now</p>
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		<title>By: rfquerin</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-27123</link>
		<dc:creator>rfquerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James - sorry for the delay in getting your comment up. I completely missed it. My point in including the Zune link is that it scares me that even Microsoft&#039;s efforts seem distinctly more forward looking than Gnome&#039;s. And MS is generally not thought of as the one to be pushing the design envelope. It is not a direct comparison to what a desktop UI should be. Just my notation that the non-libre design world is moving quite quickly. I worry that we are not. Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James - sorry for the delay in getting your comment up. I completely missed it. My point in including the Zune link is that it scares me that even Microsoft&#8217;s efforts seem distinctly more forward looking than Gnome&#8217;s. And <span class="caps">MS</span> is generally not thought of as the one to be pushing the design envelope. It is not a direct comparison to what a desktop <span class="caps">UI</span> should be. Just my notation that the non-libre design world is moving quite quickly. I worry that we are not. Simple as&nbsp;that.</p>
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		<title>By: SushiMaxC</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-27006</link>
		<dc:creator>SushiMaxC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

Probably stepped into an aftermath, but I would like to say that I feel the design is quite good. I could be wrong about this, but think for one second about the whole theme and philosophy of the word &#039;ubuntu&#039; of which the meaning is &#039;available and open to others&#039;. This is a term of African origin and I feel for one that the font of the logo really reflects the feel of that theme. It is clean, but also quite true to it&#039;s roots and also I feel that&#039;s where the real &#039;light&#039; is. Dunno about you, but I can almost see the sunrise in a savannah in the background with a bit of Lion King music in my head! 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&nbsp;there,</p>
<p>Probably stepped into an aftermath, but I would like to say that I feel the design is quite good. I could be wrong about this, but think for one second about the whole theme and philosophy of the word &#8216;ubuntu&#8217; of which the meaning is &#8216;available and open to others&#8217;. This is a term of African origin and I feel for one that the font of the logo really reflects the feel of that theme. It is clean, but also quite true to it&#8217;s roots and also I feel that&#8217;s where the real &#8216;light&#8217; is. Dunno about you, but I can almost see the sunrise in a savannah in the background with a bit of Lion King music in my&nbsp;head! </p>
<p>Perhaps the term was taken slightly too&nbsp;literally&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cb2k</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-26953</link>
		<dc:creator>cb2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post with an honest/fair appraisal, handled diplomatically.

Prior to the release of the &quot;light themes&quot; I had thought that the old Ubuntu look was being unfairly derided. 

Post light themes - I thought they were joking. 
What a shame they did not select something decent like the beautiful &quot;New Wave&quot;.

About those window buttons...  It looks to me like someone just slid the mac aqua window buttons over on top of the aqua menu button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post with an honest/fair appraisal, handled&nbsp;diplomatically.</p>
<p>Prior to the release of the &#8220;light themes&#8221; I had thought that the old Ubuntu look was being unfairly&nbsp;derided. </p>
<p>Post light themes - I thought they were joking.<br />
What a shame they did not select something decent like the beautiful &#8220;New&nbsp;Wave&#8221;.</p>
<p>About those window buttons&#8230;  It looks to me like someone just slid the mac aqua window buttons over on top of the aqua menu&nbsp;button.</p>
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		<title>By: Carving something beautiful &#171; Quick and Dirty Hacks</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-26725</link>
		<dc:creator>Carving something beautiful &#171; Quick and Dirty Hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;I&#8217;m becoming more and more worried about the rounded-rectangle, grey gradient, tango-esque, big-ass padding and even bigger-ass button style that is predominating our little end of UI design lately.&#8221; &#8211; rfquerin [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8220;I&#8217;m becoming more and more worried about the rounded-rectangle, grey gradient, tango-esque, big-ass padding and even bigger-ass button style that is predominating our little end of <span class="caps">UI</span> design lately.&#8221;&thinsp;&#8211;&thinsp;rfquerin&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: rfquerin</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-26723</link>
		<dc:creator>rfquerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rahul - No. You&#039;re missing the point. I said I do not like where Gnome UI design is heading. I think it is aiming too low and short while others aim higher and farther. I wrote that I&#039;m worried that in 5 years time we will be basically polishing what we have now while others (ie. proprietary systems) will have moved way beyond. This is why I also pointed to the Microsoft effort, precisely to show the contrast.

@Lubomir - You&#039;re far from the only one who likes the new identity. Quite a few people like it. It&#039;s a step forward. You can go ahead an educate me as well, don&#039;t waste your time asking someone else to. I know what critical discussion is not - asking for a link to be removed instead of asking &#039;why don&#039;t you like the way Gnome development is heading??&#039;.

@Thomas - Wow. A single link crapped on a whole event. You give me way too much credit. I think I will actually amend the post to clarify what it is I&#039;m doing. I will however not  remove or abstain from posting links that accompany non-positive ideas. To ask me to remove a link because I don&#039;t have anything positive to say is simply ridiculous. I&#039;m not sure how the community will ever progress without being able to handle criticism warranted or otherwise with some degree of aplomb. It&#039;s design we&#039;re talking about, if you want to take everything personally, that&#039;s up to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rahul - No. You&#8217;re missing the point. I said I do not like where Gnome <span class="caps">UI</span> design is heading. I think it is aiming too low and short while others aim higher and farther. I wrote that I&#8217;m worried that in 5 years time we will be basically polishing what we have now while others (ie. proprietary systems) will have moved way beyond. This is why I also pointed to the Microsoft effort, precisely to show the&nbsp;contrast.</p>
<p>@Lubomir - You&#8217;re far from the only one who likes the new identity. Quite a few people like it. It&#8217;s a step forward. You can go ahead an educate me as well, don&#8217;t waste your time asking someone else to. I know what critical discussion is not - asking for a link to be removed instead of asking &#8216;why don&#8217;t you like the way Gnome development is&nbsp;heading??&#8217;.</p>
<p>@Thomas - Wow. A single link crapped on a whole event. You give me way too much credit. I think I will actually amend the post to clarify what it is I&#8217;m doing. I will however not  remove or abstain from posting links that accompany non-positive ideas. To ask me to remove a link because I don&#8217;t have anything positive to say is simply ridiculous. I&#8217;m not sure how the community will ever progress without being able to handle criticism warranted or otherwise with some degree of aplomb. It&#8217;s design we&#8217;re talking about, if you want to take everything personally, that&#8217;s up to&nbsp;you.</p>
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		<title>By: Numpty</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-26722</link>
		<dc:creator>Numpty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on. Thanks for putting into words most of my thoughts about the Ubuntu rebranding (and, indeed, your assorted gripes and pessimism) more informedly than I could manage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on. Thanks for putting into words most of my thoughts about the Ubuntu rebranding (and, indeed, your assorted gripes and pessimism) more informedly than I could&nbsp;manage.</p>
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		<title>By: James Antill</title>
		<link>http://blog.rfquerin.org/2010/03/04/ubuntu-rebranded/comment-page-1/#comment-26715</link>
		<dc:creator>James Antill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I have to say I&#039;m confused. From the quick look at the Zune youtube clip, it seems very similar to what my Nexus one does ... and neither is a desktop UI. I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I have to say I&#8217;m confused. From the quick look at the Zune youtube clip, it seems very similar to what my Nexus one does &#8230; and neither is a desktop <span class="caps">UI</span>. I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s&nbsp;relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Richard.  Way to take a cool event (Gnome UX Hackfest), where a lot of great progress was made, and crap on it.

*You* might not like where the look is going, but most folks seem to.  Randomly choosing someone else&#039;s blog for trashing in the name of &quot;sparking conversation&quot; is pretty low.

I&#039;d say you do at least owe Máirín an apology, and you should really respect her wishes and remove the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Richard.  Way to take a cool event (Gnome <span class="caps">UX</span> Hackfest), where a lot of great progress was made, and crap on&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>*You* might not like where the look is going, but most folks seem to.  Randomly choosing someone else&#8217;s blog for trashing in the name of &#8220;sparking conversation&#8221; is pretty&nbsp;low.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say you do at least owe Máirín an apology, and you should really respect her wishes and remove the&nbsp;link.</p>
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